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1 Islam is a lie on Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:54 pm

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Islam is a lie

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The account of the different stages in embryology as described by the Qur'an, ar-Razi and al-Quff is identical to that taught by Galen, writing in around AD 150 in Pergamum (Bergama in modern Turkey).  there is not a single statement contained in the Qur'an relating to modern embryology that was not well known through direct observation by the ancient Greek and Indian physicians many centuries before the Qur'an was written. Morever, much of what the Qur'an actually does say about embryology is scientifically inaccurate. The ancient physicians' works were translated into Syriac in the century preceeding Muhammed, and were therefore accessible to non-Greek speakers. We know that one of the Companions of the Prophet was a doctor who trained at the very same medical school that the Greek translations were kept and taught at. We even know that at least one of the verses which describes embryology, sura 23:14 contains the words of another of Muhammed's companions. We are forced to conclude that, far from proving the alleged divine credentials of the Qur'an, its embryological statements actually provide further convincing evidence for its human origins.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Science/embryo.html

the quran is a lie surah 4:82 if you find any lie in the quran, the whole quran is a lie
lie #1 surah 18:86 the sun sets in a muddy spring,
lie #2 surah 27:61 the earth is fixed and does not move,
lie#3 surah 81:1-2 the sun will be overthrown and the stars will fall
lie #4 surah 85:5-7 semen is created between the ribs and backbone.
lie #5 Sura 96:2 = man is created from a clot

There are more than 100 verses in the Qur'an (Koran) advocating the use of violence to spread Islam.  There are exactly 123 verses in the Qur'an about killing and fighting.

Qur'an 9:5, known as "the verse of the sword," declares, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem."

Better stay alone than to follow Mohammed. • Muhammad said: Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam. (Qur’an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38) • Jesus said: God loves everyone. (John
3:16) • Muhammad said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. (Muslim 1:33)  Jesus said: He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52) • Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Sahih Muslim 4206) • Jesus said: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (John 8:7) • Muhammad permitted stealing from unbelievers (Bukhan 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764) • Jesus said: Thou shalt not steal (Matthew 19:18) • Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857) • Jesus said: Thou shalt not bear false witness. (Matthew 19:18) • Muhammad owned and traded slaves (Sahih Muslim 3901) • Jesus neither owned nor traded slaves. • Muhammad murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241) • Jesus preached forgiveness and forgave those who killed Him. (Luke 23:34) • Muhammad said: If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. (Qur’an 2:194) • Jesus said: If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39) • Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645) • Jesus said: Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. (Matthew 5:9) • Muhammad married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50) • Jesus was celibate, was never married. • Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236) • Jesus did not have sex with children. • Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995) • Jesus never harmed a woman, He loved and cared for them. • Muhammad said: O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness. (Qur’an 3:110) • Jesus said: Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth. (Matthew 5:5) • Muhammad ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq) • Jesus ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence. • Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451) • Jesus never took captives; never killed anyone. • Muhammad encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. (Abu Dawud 2150, Qur’an 4:24) • Jesus never encouraged rape; never enslaved women. • Muhammad was never tortured, but tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764) • Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone. (Isaiah 53) • Muhammad said: “And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah.” (Qur’an 8:39) • Jesus said: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44) • Muhammad ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743) • Jesus washed His disciples feet. (John 13:5) • Muhammad demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship. (Qur’an 4:102) • Jesus chastised anyone attempting to defend Him with force. (John 18:10-12) • Muhammad advocated crucifying others. (Qur’an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131) • Jesus was crucified Himself, and forgave those who killed Him. (Luke 23:34) • According to his followers, Muhammad had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413) • Jesus gave His life for others and their sins. (John 18:11 & Isaiah 53)



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Muhammad: A false prophet?

Prior to Islam, Mecca was home to a variety of gods. Meccans were polytheistic and worshipped 360 gods in the Kaabah, the large black cube which is the focus of Islamic prayer and worship today. As Muhammad began preaching his new monotheistic religion and declared all gods but Allah to be false, he and his followers began to suffer persecution at the hands of the polytheistic Meccans. In an attempt to placate the Meccans and buy some relief from persecution, Muhammad conveniently received a revelation acknowledging three Meccan female deities. These verses were originally recorded in Sura 53:19-22 as

Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third, the other; these are the exalted Gharaniq [cranes which fly at high altitude] whose intercession is approved.

Ibn Ishaq, Muhammad's earliest biographer, records; "When the Quraysh [Meccans] heard that, they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way i which he spoke of their gods, and they listened to him." Acknowledging the three Meccan deities accomplished what Muhammad had hoped for.

However, the angel Gabriel later revealed that Allah had not put those words in the mouth of Muhammad, but Satan had. Muhammad had spoken words given to him by Satan, which acknowledged other gods beside Allah. These verses have come to be know as the Satanic Verses.

The Implication

This presents a huge problem for Muhammad.

Muslims love to claim corruption of the Bible, and state that where the Qur'an and Bible agree, those portions of the Bible have not undergone corruption but rather remain reliable.

One such portion of scripture Muslims use, and thus consider uncorrupted, is Deuteronomy chapter 18. In particular, Musilms claim Deuteronomy 18:18 is a specific prophecy of Muhammad in the Old Testament (I will cover this argument in another article). If Muslims want to acknowledge verse 18 as reliable and uncorrupt, they must likewise accept verse 20, a mere two verses later and contained within the same paragraph. Deuteronomy 18:20 states:

But the prophet who dares to speak in My name a message I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods -- that prophet must die.

Here we have two criteria by which to identify a false prophet: one who attributes words to God that were not given by God, and one who speaks in the name of other gods.

Muhammad spoke in the name of other gods. He acknowledged al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat as three valid deities who deserved worhip and whose intercession could be sought.

Muhammad attributed words to God that God did not command him to speak. By his own admission, we find Muhammad stating, "I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken." (History of al-Tabari, vol. 6 p. 111, Albany, NY, SUNY Press)

Muslim apologists will point out that Muhammad received another revelation absolving him of this minor indiscretion:

Never have We sent a Rasool or a Prophet before you, O Muhammad, in whose reciting of the Revelations shaitan [Satan] did not threw in some falsehood; but Allah abolishes that which shaitan throws in and confirms His own Revelations, for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

In other words, don’t worry Muhammad; all other prophets before you occasionally said things attributed to Satan and thought they were likewise from God, but God always corrected them. Of course, this is a groundless claim without merit, and in fact contrary to Deuteronomy 18:20.

According to Deuteronomy 18:20, Muhammad is a false prophet and must die. Of course, he is already dead, but the fact remains that over one billion people today still consider Muhammad to be a legitimate prophet. This is a tragedy.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx



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2 Jesus vs Muhammed on Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:17 pm

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Jesus vs Muhammed

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Better stay alone than to follow Mohammed. • Muhammad said: Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam. (Qur’an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38) • Jesus said: God loves everyone. (John
3:16) • Muhammad said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. (Muslim 1:33)  Jesus said: He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52) • Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Sahih Muslim 4206) • Jesus said: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (John 8:7) • Muhammad permitted stealing from unbelievers (Bukhan 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764) • Jesus said: Thou shalt not steal (Matthew 19:18) • Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857) • Jesus said: Thou shalt not bear false witness. (Matthew 19:18) • Muhammad owned and traded slaves (Sahih Muslim 3901) • Jesus neither owned nor traded slaves. • Muhammad murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241) • Jesus preached forgiveness and forgave those who killed Him. (Luke 23:34) • Muhammad said: If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. (Qur’an 2:194) • Jesus said: If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39) • Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645) • Jesus said: Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. (Matthew 5:9) • Muhammad married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50) • Jesus was celibate, was never married. • Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236) • Jesus did not have sex with children. • Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995) • Jesus never harmed a woman, He loved and cared for them. • Muhammad said: O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness. (Qur’an 3:110) • Jesus said: Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth. (Matthew 5:5) • Muhammad ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq) • Jesus ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence. • Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451) • Jesus never took captives; never killed anyone. • Muhammad encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. (Abu Dawud 2150, Qur’an 4:24) • Jesus never encouraged rape; never enslaved women. • Muhammad was never tortured, but tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764) • Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone. (Isaiah 53) • Muhammad said: “And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah.” (Qur’an 8:39) • Jesus said: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44) • Muhammad ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743) • Jesus washed His disciples feet. (John 13:5) • Muhammad demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship. (Qur’an 4:102) • Jesus chastised anyone attempting to defend Him with force. (John 18:10-12) • Muhammad advocated crucifying others. (Qur’an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131) • Jesus was crucified Himself, and forgave those who killed Him. (Luke 23:34) • According to his followers, Muhammad had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413) • Jesus gave His life for others and their sins. (John 18:11 & Isaiah 53)



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3 Re: Islam is a lie on Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:17 pm

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It has been proven that Islam, and the Quran, are a fabrication of the late seventh century, at least 70 years after Muhammed died. No manuscript of Uthman exists. The first mosks where facing Petra, not Mecca. The Quran has over two thousand divergencies, it HAS changed and evolved over time. Watch this video, search for the truth. Educate yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0

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4 The Variations Between the Codices on Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:45 pm

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The Variations Between the Codices

http://www.debate.org.uk/debate-topics/historical/does-the-bible/#I3

Arthur Jeffery in his book points out several thousand variants taken from over thirty “main sources.” Of special note are those which he found between the codex of Ibn Mas’ud and that of Zaid ibn Thabit. He also found that Mas’ud’s codex agreed with the other codices which existed at the expense of Zaid’s text (while we don’t have the time to go into all the variations, it might be helpful if you could obtain a copy of Arthur Jeffrey’s book: Materials for the history of the Text of the Qur’an).
According to Jeffery, Abu Mas’ud’s Codex was different from the Uthmanic text in several different ways:
It did not contain the Fatiha (the opening sura, sura 1), nor the two charm suras (suras 113 and 114).
It contained different vowels within the same consonantal text (Jeffery 25-113).
It contained Shi’ite readings (i.e. suras 5:67; 24:35; 26:215; 33:25,33,56; 42:23; 47:29; 56:10; 59:7; 60:3; 75:17-19) (Jeffery 40,65,68).
Entire phrases were different, such as:
sura 3:19: Mas’ud has “The way of the Hanifs” instead of “Behold, the [true] religion (din) of God is Islam.”
sura 3:39: Mas’ud has “Then Gabriel called to him, ‘O Zachariah’”, instead of the Uthmanic reading: “Then the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary.”
Only his codice begins sura 9 with the Bismilah, while the Uthmanic text does not (“bismi ‘llahi ‘l-rahmani ‘l-rahim” meaning, “In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate”).
Finally, the order of the suras in Ibn Mas’ud’s codex is different from the Uthmanic text in that Mas’ud’s list arranges the suras more closely in order of descending length.

G5ii: Ubayy Ka’b's Codex

Ubayy Ka’b's codex also had variations. Though there are those who disagree, it seems to have been less important than Ibn Mas’ud’s, as it was not the source of any secondary codices.
It included two suras not found in the Uthmanic or Ibn Mas’ud’s texts: the surat al-Khal’, with three verses, and surat al-Hafd, with six verses (Jeffery pg. 180ff). Al-Fadl b. Shadhan is said to have seen a copy of Ubayy’s 116 suras (rather than the 114 of Uthman’s) in a village near Basra in the middle of the 3rd century A.H. (10th century C.E.).
The order of suras in Ubayy’s codex is said to have differed from that of Uthman’s.
G6: Conclusions on the Collation of the Qur’anic Text

These variations in the codices show that the original text of the Qur’an cannot have been perfect. The fact that a little known secretary (Zaid ibn Thabit) was chosen as the final arbiter of the Qur’anic text points to possible political interference. The admission by this secretary that the task of collating the verses was unduly daunting and his consequent pronouncement that one verse was initially missing from his finished text (sura 33:23) while another verse, according to authoritative sources, is still missing (the stoning verse) puts even more suspicion on its authenticity.
On top of that, the many variations which exist between Zaid’s text and those of supposedly more authoritative collators (Mas’ud and Ka’b) can only add to the perception of many today that the Uthmanic Qur’an which we supposedly have today leaves us with more doubt than assurance for its authority as the perfect word of God.
Yet that is not all. We also know from Muslim tradition that the Uthmanic Qur’an had to be reviewed and amended to meet the Caliph’s standard for a single approved text even after Uthman’s death. This was carried out by al-Hajjaj, the governor of Kufa, who made eleven distinct amendments and corrections to the text, which were later reduced to seven readings.
If the other codices were in existence today, one could compare the one with the other to ascertain which could claim to be closest to the original. Even Hafsah’s copy, the original from which the final text was taken, was later destroyed by Mirwan, the governor of Medina. But for what reason???
Does this act not intimate that there were problems between the other copies, possibly glaring contradictions, which needed to be thrown out? Can we really believe that the rest were destroyed simply because Uthman wished to have only one manuscript which conformed to the Quraishi dialect (if indeed such a dialect existed)? Why then burn the other codices? If, as some contend today, the other codices were only personal reminisces of the writers, then why did the prophet give those codices so much authority during his lifetime? Furthermore, how could Uthman claim to judge one from the other now that Muhammad was no longer around?
There are certain scholars today who believe that Zaid ibn Thabit and his co-workers could have reworked the Arabic, so as to make the text literately sophisticated and thus seemingly superior to other Arabic works of its time; and thus create the claim that this was indeed the illiterate Muhammad’s one miracle.
There are others, such as John Wansbrough from SOAS, who go even further, contending that all of the accounts about companion codices and individual variants were fabricated by later Muslim jurists and philologers. He asserts that the collection stories and the accounts of the companion codices arose in order to give an ancient authority to a text that was not even compiled until the 9th century or later.
He feels that the text of the Qur’an was so fluid that the multiple accounts (i.e. of the punishment stories) represent “variant traditions” of different metropolitan centres (such as Kufa, Basra, Medina etc.), and that as late as the 9th century a consonantal textus receptus ne varietur still had not been achieved. Today, his work is taking on greater authority within scholarly circles.
Unfortunately we will never know the real story, because the originals (if indeed they ever existed) which could have told us so much were destroyed. All we have are the copies written years after the originals by those who were then ordered to destroy their originals. There are, therefore, no manuscripts to compare with to give the current Qur’an authenticity, as we have with the Bible.
For those who may wonder why this is so important, let me provide an example: If after I had read this paper out-loud, everyone was to then write down all I had said from memory when they returned home, there would certainly be a number of variations. But we could find out these variations by putting them all together and comparing the many copies one against the other, as the same errors would not be written at the same place by everyone. The final result would be a rendering which is pretty close to what I had said originally. But if we destroyed all of the copies except one, there would be no means of comparing, and all precision would be lost. Our only hope would be that the one which remained was as close to what I had said as possible. Yet we would have no other rendering or example to really know for sure.
Consequently, the greater number of copies preserved, the more certitude we would have of the original text. The Qur’an has only one doctored manuscript to go on, while the New Testament has over 24,000 manuscripts in existence, from a variety of backgrounds, from which to compare!!! Can you see the difference?!
It is therefore quite clear that that which is known as the Textus Receptus of the Qur’an (the text considered authoritative in the Muslim world today) cannot lay claim to be the Textus Originalis (the genuine original text).
The current Qur’anic text which is read throughout the Muslim world is merely Zaid’s version, duly corrected where necessary, and later amended by al-Hajjaj. Consequently, the ‘official’ text as it currently stands was only arrived at through an extended process of amendments, recensions, eliminations and an imposed standardization of a preferred text at the initiative of one caliph, and not by a prophetic direction of divine decree.
In conclusion one can safely say that there is relative authenticity of the text in the sense that it adequately retains the gist and content of what was originally there. There is, however, no evidence to support the cherished Muslim hypothesis that the Qur’an has been preserved absolutely intact to the last dot and letter, as so many Muslims claim (For further reading see Jam’ al-Qur’an, by Gilchrist).
Yet, even if we were to let the issue rest, concerning whether or not the Qur’an which we have now is the same as that which Muhammad related to his followers, we would still need to ask whether its authority might not be impinged upon due to the numerous errors and contradictions which can be found within its pages. It is to that question that we now proceed.

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5 The real Quran on Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:30 am

Admin wrote:the quran is a lie surah 4:82 if you find any lie in the quran, the whole quran is a lie
lie #1 surah 18:86 the sun sets in a muddy spring,
lie #2 surah 27:61 the earth is fixed and does not move,
lie#3 surah 81:1-2 the sun will be overthrown and the stars will fall
lie #4 surah 85:5-7 semen is created between the ribs and backbone.
lie #5 Sura 96:2 = man is created from a clot

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There are more than 100 verses in the Qur'an (Koran) advocating the use of violence to spread Islam.  There are exactly 123 verses in the Qur'an about killing and fighting.

Qur'an 9:5, known as "the verse of the sword," declares, "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem."

THERE ARE 6662 VERSES IN QURAN AND AROUND 100 VERSES ARE ABOUT THE HOT WAR VERSES. IN THE BEGINNING OF ISLAMIC HISTORY MUSLIMS WERE NOT GIVEN PERMISSION TO FIGHT BACK WHEN THEY ARE UNDER ATTACK. THEN GOD ALLOWED THEM TO FIGHT BACK AND HAPPENED 3 QUITE BIG WARS BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON BELIEVERS; THOSE VERSES ARE ABOUT THOSE 3 WAR 100 OUT OF 6662 WHICH IS ABOUT 1,5 % . ALL WAR VERSES ARE EITHER SURA NUMBER 3 OR 9 DURING THE TIME WHEN THE WARS TOOK PLACE

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6 Re: Islam is a lie on Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:40 am

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See quote below from the noted Islamic jurist, A.K. Brohi (Malik, S. K. ‘The Quranic Concept of War’. Lahore: Wajidalis, 1979. xix.). With respect to the Bataclan concert goers, I'm not defending the Muslims. I do think, however, that to openly mock God is to put him to the test, and that is not a position I would want to be in. 

"Islam views the world as though it were bipolarised in two opposing camps--Darus-Salam facing Darul-Harb--the first one is submissive to the Lord in co-operating with God's purpose to establish peace, order and such other pre-conditions of human development, but the second one, on the other hand, is engaged in perpetuating defiance of the same Lord. Such a state of affairs which engages any one in rebellion against God's will is termed as 'Fitna'--which literally means test or trial. The term 'Fitna' refers us to misconduct on the part of a man who establishes his own norms and expects obedience from others, thereby usurping God's authority--who alone is sovereign. In Sura Infa'al Chapter 8 Verse 39, it is said 'And fight on until there remains no more tumult or oppression and they remain submissive only to God.' To the same effect are the words used in Sura Toba Verse 9, 'Fight those who believe not in the Lord, nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by His messenger and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the people of the book [Jews & Christians], until they pay Jazya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.'"

"Many Western Scholars have pointed their accusing fingers at some of the above verses in the Quran to be able to contend that the world of Islam is in a state of perpetual struggle against the non-Muslims. As to them it is a sufficient answer to make, if one were to point out, that the defiance of God's authority by one who is His slave exposes that slave to the risk of being held guilty of treason and such a one, in the perspective of Islamic law, is indeed to be treated as a sort of that cancerous growth on that organism of humanity, which has been created 'Kanafsin Wahidatin' that is, like one, single, indivisible self. It thus becomes necessary to remove the cancerous mal-formation even if it be by surgical means (if it would not respond to other treatment), in order to save the rest of Humanity."

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7 Re: Islam is a lie on Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:48 am

Admin wrote:See quote below from the noted Islamic jurist, A.K. Brohi (Malik, S. K. ‘The Quranic Concept of War’. Lahore: Wajidalis, 1979. xix.). With respect to the Bataclan concert goers, I'm not defending the Muslims. I do think, however, that to openly mock God is to put him to the test, and that is not a position I would want to be in. 

"Islam views the world as though it were bipolarised in two opposing camps--Darus-Salam facing Darul-Harb--the first one is submissive to the Lord in co-operating with God's purpose to establish peace, order and such other pre-conditions of human development, but the second one, on the other hand, is engaged in perpetuating defiance of the same Lord. Such a state of affairs which engages any one in rebellion against God's will is termed as 'Fitna'--which literally means test or trial. The term 'Fitna' refers us to misconduct on the part of a man who establishes his own norms and expects obedience from others, thereby usurping God's authority--who alone is sovereign. In Sura Infa'al Chapter 8 Verse 39, it is said 'And fight on until there remains no more tumult or oppression and they remain submissive only to God.' To the same effect are the words used in Sura Toba Verse 9, 'Fight those who believe not in the Lord, nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by His messenger and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the people of the book [Jews & Christians], until they pay Jazya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.'"

"Many Western Scholars have pointed their accusing fingers at some of the above verses in the Quran to be able to contend that the world of Islam is in a state of perpetual struggle against the non-Muslims. As to them it is a sufficient answer to make, if one were to point out, that the defiance of God's authority by one who is His slave exposes that slave to the risk of being held guilty of treason and such a one, in the perspective of Islamic law, is indeed to be treated as a sort of that cancerous growth on that organism of humanity, which has been created 'Kanafsin Wahidatin' that is, like one, single, indivisible self. It thus becomes necessary to remove the cancerous mal-formation even if it be by surgical means (if it would not respond to other treatment), in order to save the rest of Humanity."

1- ABOUT THE VERSE 8.39 ; THE PEOPLE MENTIONED TO FIGHT ABOUT IS ALREADY INDICATED 8.30 . Remember how the Unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.
AS YOU CAN SEE; YOU CAN NOT DRAW ONE VERSE OUT OF CONTEXT AND MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT IT;YOU HAVE EVALUATE ALL THE WAR SURA TOGETHER IN WHICH THERE ARE ALOT OF PRECAUTIONS TO SHOW MERCY TO END THE WAR; THOSE PEOPLE TO FIGHT ARE THE ONES THAT PLOTTED BELIEVERS , SLAYED THEM AND EXPELLED
THEM FORM THEIR HOUSES.
2- (2:190-193) Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.


As we can understand from those verses; war can be declared against only those who declare war first. Moreover, Allah warns believers not to transgress the limits in this war. During the war, if the other party cease to fight and ask for mercy ; Muslims should obey this and cease the war as well. For the damage they get from war, they ask for “Cizye”; this Arabic word is conjugated from the word Punishment in Arabic ; hence means “ War compensation” not the tax. War compensation is the proof for war is not for invasion in Quran. Because if the war were for invasion only ; the war compensation would not be demanded. The main aim for invasion is to gather the other people’s land; asking for the damage of the war would be meaningless. It is war compensation, which Savage Germany paid after World War 2. Cizye, war compensation, exists in Civil Law as well.

3- There is no slavery in ISlam; the word slave exists only in one verse in entire Quran and it is under the condition that ; if a Muslim is mistaken ; he has to pay money to a slave owner to free his slave. By this Islam gradually ends the slavery; Muslims are not allowed to own slave at all

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8 ANSWERS FROM QURAN on Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:05 am

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Better stay alone than to follow Mohammed. • Muhammad said: Allah hates those who don’t accept Islam. (Qur’an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38) • Jesus said: God loves everyone. (John
3:16) • Muhammad said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. (Muslim 1:33)  Jesus said: He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52) • Muhammad stoned women for adultery. (Sahih Muslim 4206) • Jesus said: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (John 8:7) • Muhammad permitted stealing from unbelievers (Bukhan 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764) • Jesus said: Thou shalt not steal (Matthew 19:18) • Muhammad permitted lying (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857) • Jesus said: Thou shalt not bear false witness. (Matthew 19:18) • Muhammad owned and traded slaves (Sahih Muslim 3901) • Jesus neither owned nor traded slaves. • Muhammad murdered those who insulted him. (Bukhari 56:369, 4:241) • Jesus preached forgiveness and forgave those who killed Him. (Luke 23:34) • Muhammad said: If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. (Qur’an 2:194) • Jesus said: If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39) • Muhammad said: Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one’s position in Paradise by a hundred fold. (Muslim 4645) • Jesus said: Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God. (Matthew 5:9) • Muhammad married 13 wives and kept sex slaves. (Bukhari 5:268, Qur’an 33:50) • Jesus was celibate, was never married. • Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child. (Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236) • Jesus did not have sex with children. • Muhammad ordered the murder of women. (Ibn Ishaq 819, 995) • Jesus never harmed a woman, He loved and cared for them. • Muhammad said: O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness. (Qur’an 3:110) • Jesus said: Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth. (Matthew 5:5) • Muhammad ordered 65 military campaigns and raids in his last 10 years. (Ibn Ishaq) • Jesus ordered no military campaigns, nor offered any approval of war or violence. • Muhammad killed captives taken in battle. (Ibn Ishaq 451) • Jesus never took captives; never killed anyone. • Muhammad encouraged his men to rape enslaved women. (Abu Dawud 2150, Qur’an 4:24) • Jesus never encouraged rape; never enslaved women. • Muhammad was never tortured, but tortured others. (Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764) • Jesus suffered torture, but never tortured anyone. (Isaiah 53) • Muhammad said: “And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah.” (Qur’an 8:39) • Jesus said: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44) • Muhammad ordered a slave to build the very pulpit from which he preached Islam. (Bukhari 47:743) • Jesus washed His disciples feet. (John 13:5) • Muhammad demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship. (Qur’an 4:102) • Jesus chastised anyone attempting to defend Him with force. (John 18:10-12) • Muhammad advocated crucifying others. (Qur’an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131) • Jesus was crucified Himself, and forgave those who killed Him. (Luke 23:34) • According to his followers, Muhammad had others give their lives for him. (Sahih Muslim 4413) • Jesus gave His life for others and their sins. (John 18:11 & Isaiah 53)

1- Theres is no such meaning in those verses(30:4, 3:32, 22:38); not even close ; there is no such meaning like Allah hates those who dont accept Islam ; Allah hates non believers 2- Muslim 1:33 is fake Hadith ; this is contrary to the entire logic of Quran 3- there is no stoning for adultery in Islam ; https://www.facebook.com/1618153118472847/videos/vb.1618153118472847/1637386359882856/?type=2&theater 4- Fake hadith ; stealing is prohibited from all people in Quran ; there is no limitation like believers or non believers
I will not answer for your claims about the Hadiths because they are all fake ; Prophet Muhammed did never say or did any of them mentioned in those wrong Hadiths; one of the reasons of this page is to clean Islamic word from those fake hadiths and misunderstanding depending on those wrong Hadiths ;for the claims about Quranic verses ;(2,194) Muslim people have right to fight back if they were attacked before .We can not start a war but we can counterattack if we are under attack; which is completely compliance with today's international law. I believe Jesus meant it for your brother in your religion ; not some unbelievers attacking you and killing you .
( 4:24 ) there is nothing to force women for sex in this verse; i think you should read verses on which you biased your claims ; the hadith is fake ;
4:102 it is another verse you are trying to deviate from the context meaning; it is a verse during war and when the time for praying comes ; muslims split into 2 and one group pray after another in sequence; Prophet fighted with non believers who attacked him alone in the battle ; God even told him in Quran to remove his shield because GOD was protecting him
5:33 is again a verse revealed during hot war time ; you have to check the context; verse before and after ; the text is about a war ; when Muslims confronted non believers whom first started the war and expelled Muslims from their houses and force them to immigrate to Madina
(8:39) this verse is limited by another verse; you have to preach the religion as much as you can according to this verse but you can not cross the limit of another verse ; WHICH IS 8:190 . Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. this verse says you can only attack when you are under attack ; you have no right to attack in any verse anywhere in Quran.

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9 Re: Islam is a lie on Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:24 am

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You will not convince anyone here about your religion. 

John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

So the way to the father, and to heaven, is Jesus Christ alone. Not Islam, not muhammed, nor any other religion. Only Jesus Christ.

Islam is a disgrace for humanity.

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10 Re: Islam is a lie on Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:49 am

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https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran

http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Quran_and_science.htm

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11 Re: Islam is a lie on Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:34 am

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Islamic Invasion Of India: The Greatest Genocide In History

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/islamic-invasion-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/

Muslim historian Firishta [full name Muhammad Qasim Hindu Shah, born in 1560 and died in 1620], the author of the Tarikh-i Firishta and the Gulshan-i Ibrahim, was the first to give an idea to the medieval bloodbath that was India during Muslim rule, when he declared that over 400 million Hindus got slaughtered during Muslim invasion and occupation of India. Survivors got enslaved and castrated. India’s population is said to have been around 600 million at the time of Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500’s the Hindu population was 200 million.

By the time the British arrived to the shores of India and after centuries of Islamic law ruling India, the Hindu population was not behaving like their normal self; they were behaving like Muslims. There are many witness reports from the British archives of horrendous Hindu incidents that were shocking in cruelty to the British – and they therefore sometimes referred to the people as “savages”. Yes, anyone who gets contaminated by the association with Islamic ‘culture’ truly gets tainted and savaged. That is exactly why it is so detrimental and dangerous.

Today, like other cultures with a soul massacred by Islam, India is not truly a Hindu nation. India is a shadow of Islam, a Hindufied version of Islam, where every human atrocity has been emulated and adopted into a culture previously alien to such brutality. And in association with it’s foreign mohamedan pest, these Islamic habits have become adopted and accepted as a “normal” part of Indian culture. But if we look at pre-Islamic Indian culture it was a in general a benevolent culture of knowledge and learning, much more so than it is today.

From the time of the Umayyad Dynasty (711AD) to the last Mughal, Bahadur Shah Zafar (1858), so widely praised as great leaders by Indian historians themselves, entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. “Hindu slaughter.”

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12 Re: Islam is a lie on Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:06 pm

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Does Allah Love Unbelievers?


One of Allah’s 99 Names is al-Waddud, “the Loving.” Allah is called al-Waddud twice in the Qur’an. In 11:90, the prophet Shu’aib tells the people of Midian, “Ask pardon, then, from your Lord, then turn to Him; verily, my Lord is merciful, loving!” Likewise, in 85:12-16 we read:
Lo! the punishment of thy Lord is stern. Lo! He it is Who produceth, then reproduceth, and He is the Forgiving, the Loving, Lord of the Throne of Glory, Doer of what He will.

Nevertheless, other passages in the Qur’an qualify Allah’s love significantly. While Allah is said to love those who do good deeds (2:195), those who are pure (2:222), those who are righteous (9:7), and those who fight in his cause (61:4), the Qur’an is equally clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly, the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims: 
Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers

Qur’an 30:43-45—Then turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated. Whoever disbelieves, he shall be responsible for his disbelief, and whoever does good, they prepare (good) for their own souls, that He may reward those who believe and do good out of His grace; surely He does not love the unbelievers.

Notice that 3:31-32 makes Allah’s love contingent on whether a person believes in Muhammad. This is similar to what we find in 19:46, which declares: “Lo! those who believe and do good works, the Beneficent will appoint for them love.” 
Hence, although Allah is called “the Loving,” the Qur’an only means by this that Allah will love people once they believe in him and obey his prophet. The god of Islam has no love for sinners and unbelievers. 
Interestingly, the “Love me first and I’ll love you back” kind of love exhibited by Allah in the Qur’an is condemned by Jesus in Matthew 5:43-48: 

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”



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13 Re: Islam is a lie on Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:45 am

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Thats how forced conversions work in Islam. First you attack a group in a city,region, or country. Then you kill those who won't convert or pay a high tax. Then you suppress all other religious teachings and ban criticism of your "religion." Then you indoctrinate the children from birth and suppress all other teachings of religion or opposing ideologies. Then you set examples by doing violence, torturing and often killing critics or those who dare to leave your "religion" to intimidate those who try to think free thoughts. Similar tactics were used by every dictator in history, including Stalin, Mao and Hitler.

Jesus from the Quran is a false imaginary Jesus. Your prophet contradicted himself by saying that the Bible is the Word of God and that if the Quran contradicts the Bible then the older book should take precedence. The Old and New Testaments teach that the Messiah (Jesus Christ) would be God in human form, the New Testament teaches that Jesus was Crucified and Resurrected. This was in every legitimate Bible before, during and after your "prophet" lived. Therefore both Testaments being older than the Quran, means by your "prophets" own words they should take precedence over the new book you believe in. Also our top scholars easily win debates on the historical evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus!

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

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14 Re: Islam is a lie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:48 pm

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Ask your Muslim friends:
- Is God eternal?
- Is God essentially love?
- Is God's love essentially characterized by self-giving to an Other?
If the Muslim answers yes to all of the above, then ask:
- Before or apart from creation, who is the object of God's love, if God is essentially love and God's love is essentially self-giving?
Admittedly, this is a more abstract argument than I would usually use. But if your Muslim interlocutor accepts the premises, this is a pretty good argument for there being more than one Person constituting the unique identity of the one God.

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